He says, “At When Words Collide conference, during a break in workshop by Adrienne Kerr (acquisition editor for commercial fiction at Penguin Canada). 

At the table are (left to right) short story author Ron Freidman, Five Rivers author Connie Penner, editor and author Elizabeth McLachlan, myself, Five Rivers author Susan Forest, Penguin author Rob Sawyer, and Edge author and convention chair, Randy McCharles.”